INTERVIEW: John Carey, ADNOC Distribution deputy CEO — fueling a forecourt revolution in Saudi Arabia

John Carey, deputy CEO at ADNOC Distribution, wants the company to be an “outside-in” company. (Illustration: Luis Grañena)
Updated 02 June 2019
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INTERVIEW: John Carey, ADNOC Distribution deputy CEO — fueling a forecourt revolution in Saudi Arabia

  • The Abu Dhabi petrol-station chain sees big business in the Kingdom — and it’s about more than just refilling gas tanks

John Carey wants ADNOC Distribution to be an “outside-in” company, meaning that what is all-important is how it is perceived by investors, trade partners and, above all, customers.

It is an approach that will be key as the Abu Dhabi fuel-retail business powers ahead in its expansion drive, which includes boosting the number of forecourts it operates in the key markets of Saudi Arabia and Dubai. 

“At the end of the day everything we do gets paid for by the customers, and they are the biggest judge. We have to get people inside the company thinking: If we do this, will it add value to the customer, or is it just an internal project that can be ticked off,” Carey said.

After a career in the downstream side of the oil industry that included stints at BP in the US, Carey came to ADNOC just as the Abu Dhabi National Oil Company was preparing to spin off its retail and wholesale fuel business in a groundbreaking initial public offering (IPO), and since then the deputy CEO has been helping change the outside world’s perception of the business.

One aspect of that change is to increase the customer-facing side of the business, by physically expanding in its native UAE and by changing the nature of the forecourt experience. Gone are the days when it was all about “stop and fill” — now it is about “stop and shop.”

When the IPO was launched, some industry analysts were surprised at the size of the shopping element. The flotation on the Abu Dhabi Securities Exchange threw up the quirky fact that, rather than being all about petrol, oil and lubricants, ADNOC Distribution was actually the largest retailer in the UAE, by number of outlets.

Carey has spent the past few weeks on roadshows explaining the granularity of that proposition to the investors who snapped up 10 percent of the company, in London and New York, as well as in the UAE and other parts of the Middle East.

I want you to feel that on your way home you can get steak for dinner at your local gas station.

John Carey

It was a chance to tell how far the company had gone in fulfilling its IPO agenda. “When we did the IPO there were a lot of questions because we were one of the first to do it and it was a new leadership team coming together. There were questions on the governance and independence of a company from the UAE, so the roadshows were a good, timely effort to go back and look at what we said at the outset of the IPO and how we said we would do it. The good, the bad and the ugly of it,” he said.

“I think the overriding feedback was a little bit of surprise. Not surprise that we’d hit our financial objectives, but a bit of surprise at the amount of build-out of the strategy we’d made in the past 12 to 15 months.”

Investors were also impressed by the ambition of the financial plan, and — of course — by the dividend policy announced earlier this year that caused the newly listed shares to jump significantly. ADNOC Distribution is aiming for $1 billion in earnings by 2023, and has pledged $1.35 billion in dividend over the next two years.

The shares are not yet included in the MSCI indices, but could be if a further 5 percent of the company were sold, something that Carey said is “a question for the board, not for me.”

To achieve those targets, the business will have to take advantage of the recovery in retail and macro-economic conditions that UAE policymakers hope will lift the economy out of a period of recent “flat” growth.

“People were expecting more growth in the region. I think that growth will come with the investment, but we haven’t seen it to date,” Carey said.

Even against that background, the business has delivered. “We talked a lot about the resilience of the business. We showed 22 percent ebitda (earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortization) growth last year despite volumes being flat — and the importance of the non-fuel sector, the importance of the cost reductions, all that came through strongly,” Carey said.

Apart from the forecourt retail business, the rest of the Distribution arm’s operations are in supplying fuel and other oil products to government agencies, airlines and transport companies, giving Carey a good position from which to judge the strength of the national economy.

He believes there are signs of imminent recovery. “With the government stimulus package and all the activity that’s going on, we’re already seeing the green shoots within commercial, which is why we’re confident the retail will come back. We’re seeing the commercial volumes pick up, which is good for the region,” he said.

Much of the future expansion is expected outside ADNOC’s traditional Abu Dhabi heartland. Carey’s strategy involves expanding the business elsewhere in the UAE. It already has 70 percent of the market in the northern emirates, but the big prize is in Dubai, where — coincidentally — the local petrol station operator ENOC recently announced a big push itself.

With the two big beasts of the forecourts business going head-to-head in Dubai, it is reasonable to ask if the market can hold them both. Carey has no doubt.

“The Dubai market is a quite unserviced market today and there is space for expansion, and that’s good for both of us. If (you) look at the site volumes in Dubai, it’s among the highest in the world in terms of leases per site and the wait times. It is very high and when we’ve gone in there, we’ve seen a very good uptake of the ADNOC brand. I think it’s about the locations, and we hear that everywhere,” he said.

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BIO

BORN

•Kilkenny, Ireland

EDUCATION

•University College Dublin, Ireland

•Stanford University, California, US

CAREER

•Castrol, president of industrial lubricant services

•BP, VP of global strategic accounts

•BP, CEO of liquified petroleum gas business

•Castrol, CEO of business-to-business operations

•BP, president of West Coast products, US

•BP, senior strategy adviser, downstream products

•ADNOC Distribution, deputy CEO

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ADNOC has only four fuel stations in Dubai at the moment compared with more than 100 for ENOC. “So we see an opportunity. By 2023 there will be between 60 and 75 new sites,” Carey said.

The nature of the sites will change drastically. “The big push from us is around convenience retailing and growing the customer experience. By definition, our locations are going to be convenient for people who are stopping there.” 

ADNOC has a partnership deal with the big French-owned retailer Geant on 14 UAE sites, which will operate as a core retail provider, much along the lines of the link-up between BP and Marks & Spencer in the UK.

“I want you to feel that on your way home from work you can get your steak for dinner; you don’t have to go to a big hypermarket and spend an hour queuing. You can get it from your local gas station because we have the quality and the freshness,” he said.

The formula of expanded forecourt retail offerings and other services will also be rolled out in Saudi Arabia, where the market is very different but the opportunities equally attractive. Carey recently opened two ADNOC stores in
the Kingdom, and more will follow, with local partners very much in mind.

In Saudi Arabia, ADNOC will again come up against ENOC, which has also earmarked the Kingdom for expansion, as well as Saudi Aramco, keen to enhance its position in the fuel retail business, as well as myriad smaller independent operators. The market is ripe for consolidation, Carey believes.

“It’s a hugely fragmented market today. The top five players account for about 15 percent, so I think what we’ll see in Saudi Arabia, like everywhere else in the world, there will be more and more consolidation,” he said.

“As retail standards improve, it will push out people at the bottom end of the market. I think there is huge space for new players in Saudi Arabia, I really do. It will be at the expense of, or together with, the ‘mom and pop’ stores.”

ADNOC in Saudi Arabia will offer a mix of company-owned outlets as well as franchised operations. “Saudi Arabia is such a big market, it would be difficult to have just one model,” Carey said.

The forecourt revolution is particularly applicable in the Kingdom, he believes, because the regulatory setup means that the fuel business is much lower margin than in the UAE, so value will come from offering a higher standard of customer choice and product. “We see a market that has not seen much investment for a while. Maybe in some areas there has been, but overall the quality of sites in Saudi Arabia is not to the level they want them to be,” he said.

The other thing that impressed international investors on the roadshows was the commitment to cost control that has been a feature of ADNOC Distribution’s post-IPO environment. 

“One of our key targets is cost reduction and efficiency. We’ve done a nice job. The philosophy is that you don’t expect your customers to pay for your inefficiency, so we’ve taken costs out of the business — over $50 million of costs out in the past year, $50 million more this year and a further $100 million over the rest of the strategic period,” he said.

Carey and ADNOC have a clear vision for corporate strategy, and are sticking to it. With the priorities set and the focus fixed, he does not want to be distracted. Asked what is the biggest frustration of his job, he responded unhesitatingly: “Death by a thousand initiatives.”


AI will never replace human creativity, says SRMG CEO 

Updated 30 January 2026
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AI will never replace human creativity, says SRMG CEO 

  • Speaking to Maya Hojeij, senior business anchor at Asharq with Bloomberg, Jomana R. Alrashid expressed pride in SRMG platforms that had absorbed and adopted AI

RIYADH: Jomana R. Alrashid, CEO of Saudi Research and Media Group, highlighted how AI cannot replace human creativity during a session at The Family Office’s “Investing Is a Sea” summit at Shura Island on Friday. 

“You can never replace human creativity. Journalism at the end of the day, and content creation, is all about storytelling, and that’s a creative role that AI does not have the power to do just yet,” Alrashid told the investment summit. 

“We will never eliminate that human role which comes in to actually tell that story, do the actual investigative reporting around it, make sure to be able to also tell you what’s news or what’s factual from what’s wrong ... what’s a misinformation from bias, and that’s the bigger role that the editorial player does in the newsroom.”

Speaking on the topic of AI, moderated by Maya Hojeij, senior business anchor at Asharq with Bloomberg, the CEO expressed her pride in SRMG platforms that had absorbed and adopted AI in a way that was “transformative.”

“We are now translating all of our content leveraging AI. We are also now being able to create documentaries leveraging AI. We now have AI-facilitated fact-checking, AI facilities clipping, transcribing. This is what we believe is the future.”

Alrashid was asked what the journalist of the future would look like. “He’s a journalist and an engineer. He’s someone who needs to understand data. And I think this is another topic that is extremely important, understanding the data that you’re working with,” she said.

“This is something that AI has facilitated as well. I must say that over the past 20 years in the region, especially when it comes to media companies, we did not understand the importance of data.”

The CEO highlighted that previously, media would rely on polling, surveys or viewership numbers, but now more detailed information about what viewers wanted was available. 

During the fireside session, Alrashid was asked how the international community viewed the Middle Eastern media. Alrashid said that over the past decades it had played a critical role in informing wider audiences about issues that were extremely complex — politically, culturally and economically — and continued to play that role. 

“Right now it has a bigger role to play, given the role again of social media, citizen journalists, content creators. But I also do believe that it has been facilitated by the power that AI has. Now immediately, you can ensure that that kind of content that is being created by credible, tier-A journalists, world-class journalists, can travel beyond its borders, can travel instantly to target different geographies, different people, different countries, in different languages, in different formats.”

She said that there was a big opportunity for Arab media not to be limited to simply Arab consumption, but to finally transcend borders and be available in different languages and to cater to their audiences. 

The CEO expressed optimism about the future, emphasizing the importance of having a clear vision, a strong strategy, and full team alignment. 

Traditional advertising models, once centered on television and print, were rapidly changing, with social media platforms now dominating advertising revenue.

“It’s drastically changing. Ultimately in the past, we used to compete with one another over viewership. But now we’re also competing with the likes of social media platforms; 80 percent of the advertising revenue in the Middle East goes to the social media platforms, but that means that there’s 80 percent interest opportunities.” 

She said that the challenge was to create the right content on these platforms that engaged the target audiences and enabled commercial partnerships. “I don’t think this is a secret, but brands do not like to advertise with news channels. Ultimately, it’s always related with either conflict or war, which is a deterrent to advertisers. 

“And that’s why we’ve entered new verticals such as sports. And that’s why we also double down on our lifestyle vertical. Ultimately, we have the largest market share when it comes to lifestyle ... And we’ve launched new platforms such as Billboard Arabia that gives us an entry into music.” 

Alrashid said this was why the group was in a strong position to counter the decline in advertising revenues across different platforms, and by introducing new products.

“Another very important IP that we’ve created is events attached to the brands that have been operating in the region for 30-plus years. Any IP or any title right now that doesn’t have an event attached to it is missing out on a very big commercial opportunity that allows us to sit in a room, exchange ideas, talk to one another, get to know one another behind the screen.” 

The CEO said that disruption was now constant and often self-driving, adding that the future of the industry was often in storytelling and the ability to innovate by creating persuasive content that connected directly with the audience. 

“But the next disruption is going to continue to come from AI. And how quickly this tool and this very powerful technology evolves. And whether we are in a position to cope with it, adapt to it, and absorb it fully or not.”